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Where do you begin if trying to repair or manage one or more fucking morons? Okay. Let's see what I can tell you. As if I have the answers to that. Maybe the approximate direction, but the answer? Do you see a utopia anywhere near you? That's evidence of whether or not I have the answer to how to make fucking stupid people no longer fucking stupid.   Share:  
Thrust of argument: So read this Chomsky quote:

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INTERVIEWER: One thing that you pointed out, which is in fact very obvious once it's pointed out, is that most people probably aren't actually taught language at all. That is to say that most parents don't give any systematic instruction of any kind to their children, yet the children nevertheless learn.

CHOMSKY: Well, I would want to even go beyond that. I think it's certainly the case that language is, in only the most marginal sense, taught and the teaching is in no sense essential to the acquisition of language. But in a certain sense, I think we might even go on to say that language isn't even learned, at least if by learning we mean any process that has those characteristics that are generally associated with learning, for example, the characteristics that I mentioned. It seems to me that if want a reasonable metaphor, we should talk about growth.

Language seems to me to grow in the mind, rather in the way that familiar physical systems of the body grow. We begin our interchange with the world with our mind in a certain genetically determined state. And through an interaction with experience, with an environment, this state changes until it reaches a mature state which we call a state of knowledge of language.

This sequence of changes, from the genetically determined initial state to the final state in which we really have a quite complex system of mental computations, the series of changes seems to me very much analogous to growth of organs. And in fact, I think it's not inappropriate to regard the mind as a system of mental organs--the language faculty being one--each of a structure determined by our biological endowment, with interactions also generally determined by the nature of our biological endowment, growing through the triggering of active experience which shapes and articulates the organs as they develop in the individual through the relevant period of his life. So, as I say, it seems to me that not only is it wrong to think of language as being taught, but it's at least very misleading to think of it as being learned if we carry with the notion of learning the associations that generally go along with it.

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Direction of resistance / implied resistance: OBVIOUSLY if you are fucking stupid do not bother. That isn't going to help you.

 

 

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Removal of resistance: It may help someone else figure out how best to help you not be fucking stupid. Unification: Reading prose in which I call you fucking stupid (assuming you know, and many do, that you are, in the eyes of me or one like me, fucking stupid) isn't going to do anything for you other than intensify your stupidity and stress you out. This is for others to read. People who can get it, and work with it.

To such readers one more note - more info will follow. Dig into that Chomsky quote for now. I have cited much more of it at the numberwang doc, which you can access via the link in the references below.
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Where do you begin if trying to repair or manage one or more fucking morons? Okay. Let's see what I can tell you. As if I have the answers to that. Maybe the approximate direction, but the answer? Do you see a utopia anywhere near you? That's evidence of whether or not I have the answer to how to make fucking stupid people no longer fucking stupid.

So read this Chomsky quote:

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INTERVIEWER: One thing that you pointed out, which is in fact very obvious once it's pointed out, is that most people probably aren't actually taught language at all. That is to say that most parents don't give any systematic instruction of any kind to their children, yet the children nevertheless learn.

CHOMSKY: Well, I would want to even go beyond that. I think it's certainly the case that language is, in only the most marginal sense, taught and the teaching is in no sense essential to the acquisition of language. But in a certain sense, I think we might even go on to say that language isn't even learned, at least if by learning we mean any process that has those characteristics that are generally associated with learning, for example, the characteristics that I mentioned. It seems to me that if want a reasonable metaphor, we should talk about growth.

Language seems to me to grow in the mind, rather in the way that familiar physical systems of the body grow. We begin our interchange with the world with our mind in a certain genetically determined state. And through an interaction with experience, with an environment, this state changes until it reaches a mature state which we call a state of knowledge of language.

This sequence of changes, from the genetically determined initial state to the final state in which we really have a quite complex system of mental computations, the series of changes seems to me very much analogous to growth of organs. And in fact, I think it's not inappropriate to regard the mind as a system of mental organs--the language faculty being one--each of a structure determined by our biological endowment, with interactions also generally determined by the nature of our biological endowment, growing through the triggering of active experience which shapes and articulates the organs as they develop in the individual through the relevant period of his life. So, as I say, it seems to me that not only is it wrong to think of language as being taught, but it's at least very misleading to think of it as being learned if we carry with the notion of learning the associations that generally go along with it.

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OBVIOUSLY if you are fucking stupid do not bother. That isn't going to help you.

It may help someone else figure out how best to help you not be fucking stupid.

Reading prose in which I call you fucking stupid (assuming you know, and many do, that you are, in the eyes of me or one like me, fucking stupid) isn't going to do anything for you other than intensify your stupidity and stress you out. This is for others to read. People who can get it, and work with it.

To such readers one more note - more info will follow. Dig into that Chomsky quote for now. I have cited much more of it at the numberwang doc, which you can access via the link in the references below.



http://opinion.tvhobo.com/owenjones_israel_numberwang.html